Wednesday, August 23, 2006

Class Notes

Post the notes you took today in class and the date they were taken.

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Odyssey Notes – August 24, 2006

• Is Odysseus a genuinely good person?
o Balance between good and bad
 Sleeping with god
 Doesn’t really take care of men
 Bad attributes attributed to culture of the day and social norms
 Name based on might, not on morals
o Did Homer think these issues would be timeless? Does this make Odysseus an unrelatable character due to the culture?
o Internal journey and internal battle; he changes internal qualities
o Does the translation by the author change what Homer really wanted to portray?
o Why did he sleep with both Circe the witch and Calypso who promised him immortality?
 He kept thinking of Penelope and wanted to return home, therefore defying immortality and Calypso
 Double-standard
• What is the significance of Circe sending Odysseus to the land of the dead to seek Thereses (spelling, sorry)?
o Why did he have to know ahead of time? Would he had been fine without knowing?
o The things Odysseus was warned against still kind of happened
o Did Circe want him to return to her because she loved him and thought he would return after discovering all the hardships
o Page 191, line 30 – shows gentle side of Odysseus with mother
o Testing character to see reaction
o Great hero would have to deal with the death surrounding him
o Agamemnon story shows what could happen to Odysseus; it is a warning for Odysseus about a warrior returning home; he needs to hurry home or else there could be trouble; sharp contrast to Odysseus’ situation
• Why is there a parallel to Agamemnon if their personalities and values are so different
o Powerful, faithful women were key to stability in society
o Women in control of men’s power; a woman makes the man and the man can’t survive unless he has a good woman
o Penelope is another part of Odysseus’ strength; both fighting together but on different fronts (Pen at home with suitors, Odysseus away struggling to get home); both had to be strong to survive
o Are women trophies?
o Shows Odysseus really loves her; leaves the goddess and immortality behind and chooses the human life with his son and wife, not the “god” life; also, the underworld is a horrible place, and he gives up immortality to live with his wife and then serve eternity in Hades; suitors just want power/status that she has
• Why does Odysseus keep his identity secret in Scaria until the very end?
o People weren’t threat; more of an immediate help
o After what he went through, probably didn’t trust many people
o Be cautious and test hospitality; would they go the distance to help him
o Testing the waters to see if he’s wasting his time or if they really will offer help
o Why is he so deceptive (especially with his father)?
 So used to doing it?
 Why does he start lying to begin with? Does he confuse being cunning with lying?
 IS he just a story teller?

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