Tuesday, October 03, 2006

Henry IV, Act V, scene 2

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Blogger The Katie S. said...

7. Yes! I finally have the opportunity to do this. It always looked like a really fun option to blog. Hope I do it well; it seems difficult.

Worcester:
"By the grace of God, Hotspur is a tremendous fool. A fool to listen to my explanation and concocted account of my dealings with the king, but also in his naiveté; to think that we might survive against the king's men and he, alone, against Harry. That boy is as young and fleet, but not so driven by madness as my own nephew. Can he not see that we are doomed in this enterprise? We are old. I am old. I have no desire to align myself any further with his trivialities. When he falls, I will not fall with him and may, as of yet, live my days in the easy robes the King mentioned in our passing.
"In my agedness, honour matters little for the great amount it means to so many others. I cannot for the life of me understand why. They all want to win so why in this way to they pursue their ambitions? They shall lie upon the earth bleeding their precious veins empty of their body's rich wine. I shall not be buried in the pits along with all the others. I am not so hot as they or so cowardly to not deceive for my own priorities. Let them fall. I shall live...at least a few days more than they."

5:04 PM  
Blogger Jesse! said...

4. “O, gentlemen, the time of life is short;
To spend that shortness basely were too long
If life did ride upon a dial’s point,
Still ending at the arrival of an hour.
And if we live, we live to tread on kings;
If die, brave death, when princes die with us.” (lines 86-90)
All Shakespearean villains desire to manipulate time and this quote is a prime example of Hotspur’s villainous character. He believes that time would be too long if it was spent on petty action; instead it must be spent by crushing kings and dying honorably. This fits well with Hotspur because he is constantly in battle mode and is power driven, while ignoring his wife and sick father. Now, he realizes the possibility of failure, conveying his desperation and his willingness to die with honor. Also, the use of the word “ride” goes along with the horse imagery and Hotspur’s addiction for thrill.
He is the complete opposite of Falstaff, who in Act I Scene II, asks the Prince “what time of day is it, lad?” Falstaff clearly experiences time with leisure and blissful ignorance of his ticking life.

2:22 PM  
Blogger Nathan H said...

3. I don't fully understand Worcester's reasoning in not telling Hotspur about the King's proposal. First off, Hotspur already heard the King's proposal from Sir Blunt anyway. He would not be surprised in the least bit about what the King had to say. Secondly, this is Hotspur we're talking about. What could possibly coax him from his chosen course? He already wants to attack the King against tremendous odds; he isn't afraid whatsoever. I can't grasp why Worcester won't tell Hotspur. There must a different reason other than the fact that he's afraid Hotspur will accept the offer. What other motive could Worcester have?

3:34 PM  
Blogger Emma V said...

5.)
Throughout the entire play, Worcester has been a man of few words. I find however, that Worcester had that most influence, control, and vision in the conspiracy. In Scene 2 Worcester deceives Hotspur by purposefully not telling him of Prince Hal’s honorable request for a single fight. Worcester’s actions show his desire to go to war to end suspicion towards his name and perhaps his lack of faith in his nephew’s ability to defeat Prince Hal. Each remark that Worcester has made throughout the play have helped to persuade The Rebels to go to war. For example:

“And for whose death we in the world’s wide mouth live scandalized and foully spoken of,” Wercester says about the blame that has been placed on himself and the rebels for King Richards murder. (1.3.156-157)

“Then once more to your Scottish prisoners: Deliver them up without their ransom straight, and make the Douglas’ son your only mean for powers in Scotland…Your son in Scotland being thus employed, shall secretly n the bosom creep of that same noble prelate well beloved, Archbishop.” Wercester lays out the preliminary plans in sparking this war and acquiring allies. (1.3.269-278)

“And see already how he doth being to make up strangers to his looks of love.” (1.3.300-301) Worcester warns Hotspur and Northumberland about the King’s ungrateful attitude towards the Percy family and advises them to take action quickly before the King does.

Wercester could also be using his nephew Hotspur as a pawn in his plot to gain power. Because of Hotspurs wild temper and passionate desire to gain honor for himself and his family, Wercester could take advantage of his radical emotions easily by inspiring the desire for revenge.

6:14 PM  
Blogger Emma V said...

4) “To gripe the general sway into your hand, forgot your oath to us at Doncaster; and being fed us, you used so as that ungentle gull, the cuckoo’s bird, useth the sparrow- did oppress our nest, Grew by out feeding to so great a bulk that even our love durst not come near your sight for fear of swallowing; but with nimble wing we were enforced for safety sake to fly out of your sight and raise this present head.” (5.1.58-68)

I love Worcester’s imagery and metaphor used in this excerpt. The images of birds and flight in Worcester’s speech remind me of the description which Vernon gave of Prince Hal in act four. The image of wings seems to reflect the character of the people that they are being related to. The “nimble wing…enforced for safety sake,” portrays the Rebels as the victim rather than the initiators of the war. Similarly, the description of Prince Hal “ In arms, all plumed like estridges that with the wind bated like eagles…” creates a mighty image of Hal as a warrior.

7:19 PM  
Blogger DanaitA said...

In this scene Worcester and Vernon have just returned from speaking with the King. The King had offered them a sort of truce that could put a stop to the potential battle that was looming. However, Worcester tells Vernon not to tell Hotspur about the offer the King had made to them. When Hotspur enters they tell him that the King referred to them as, "rebels and traitors" and that he would, "scrouge with haughty arms this hateful name in us" (39-40). Hotspur sends Douglas to send Westmoreland back to the King with the message that they were ready to fight. Then Vernon and Worcester tell Hotspur about the challenge taht the Prince issued. They described the challenge as a respectable one, but Hotspur does not by Hal's "charm". In this scene it is easy to see what Worcester is really worried about. He does not tell Hotspur about the King's offer becasue he is worried about waht will happen to him rather than what will happen to all the rebels, " My nephew's respass may be well forgot; It hath the excuse of youth and heat of blood...All his offenses live upon my head" (16-20). Worcester is worried that Hotspur will take the King's offer but the King will punish him for all the trouble they have caused. Worcester deceives his own family. This can paly as a foreshadow to the inevitable downfall of the rebels because they have begun to deceive each other.

9:00 PM  
Blogger Matt L said...

4.) Vernon line 50-59 "No, by my soul. I never in my life /Did hear a challenge urged more modestly,/Unless a brother should a brother dare/To gentle exercise and proof of arms.
He gave you all the duties of a man,/Trimmed up your praises with a princely tongue,/Spoke your deservings like a chronicle,/ Making you ever better than his praise/... England did never owe so sweet a hope,/ So much misconstrued in his wantonness"

Vernon has agained coaught my eye with a witty speech. In this speech he answers to every one of Hotspurs barbs from their opposing speeches in Act 4. I also thought it was interesting that Vernon says Hal sounded like a brother offering a challenge because the King wanted Hotspur as a son which would have made him and Hal brothers.

9:19 PM  
Blogger  said...

Hotspur:
"O gentlemen, the time of life is short!
To spend that shortness basely were too long
If life did ride upon a dial's point,
Still ending at the arrival of an hour" (5.2.81-84).

I really like this quotation. He is basically saying that life is too short and if life was measured by a clock ending after an hour then that would still be too long if that time was spent basely. And I'm not totally sure what he means by basely but I'm guessing he means wasting life with trivial matters.

I also like it because Hotspur isn't so "hot" now. He's starting to worry and lose his ego. And he's starting to appreciate life.

9:27 PM  
Blogger julie s said...

5. I was a little confused in this scene, even though it seemed pretty straightforward. But, something did catch my eye, and that was Hotspur. In this scene, the audience learns more about him (as usual), but what they learn is important in understanding his character and actions. He shares what is essentially his philosophy on the rebellion and war in general, "An if we live, we live to tread on kings; If die, brave death, when princes die with us. No, for our consciences, the arms are fair when the intent of bearing them is just," (lines 85-88). Hotspur really believes that his cause is just and that he will prevail because of it. His goals are authentic and attainable in his mind. I think that Hotspur buys into rebellion much more than revealed before throughout the play. I think it was because of the intensity of Hotspur's beliefs that Worcester was so adament on not telling him what the King actually proposed.

I'm glad that I finally know what Hotspur thinks about warfare. I think this might explain how intense he is throughout the play.

9:56 PM  
Blogger Kell-EH said...

5/9. I was surprised by Worcester in this scene. In the beginning of this scent, he says, “O no, my nephew must not know, Sir Richard,/ The liberal and kind offer of the King. By failing to correctly inform Hotspur of the king's offer of clemency, I feel that Worcester dishonoured Hotspur. Worcester does not respect Hotspur enough as a leader to come to the same conclusion that he has about the king’s offer. If Worcester trusted his nephew, he would have presented him with his opinion and allowed Hotspur to make an informed judgment. Worcester treats Hotspur as a child. In doing so, he lowers the readers’ estimation of Hotspur by the indirect characterization of his actions and dishonours him. If his uncle cannot trust Hotspur’s judgment, why should we? Worcester believes that if the offer is accepted, he and his brother will be killed. He removes the decision from Hotspur’s hands because he cannot trust Hotspur with his life. Shakespeare uses this scene to set up the fall of Hotspur.

7:12 AM  

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